Summary
Epictetus tackles one of our deepest fears: being nobody, having no influence, being forgotten. He imagines someone worrying about living in discredit and being powerless to help friends or country. His response cuts straight to the heart of where we find our worth. You can't control whether others respect you, invite you to parties, or give you power. Those things depend on other people, not you. What you can control is your character - your honor, faithfulness, and self-respect. The chapter presents a crucial choice: you can chase external validation and influence by compromising your values, or you can focus on being the kind of person who contributes genuine value. Epictetus argues that a person of integrity serves their community far better than someone who gains power through manipulation or moral compromise. He uses the example of a shoemaker who serves society by making good shoes, not by trying to build public baths. Your job is to excel at being you - honest, reliable, principled. The world doesn't need another person willing to sacrifice their integrity for influence. It needs people who understand that true service comes from character, not connections. This isn't about becoming a hermit or avoiding all social engagement. It's about recognizing that your worth comes from who you are, not what others think of you or what positions you hold.
Coming Up in Chapter 25
But what about when others get the recognition, invitations, and opportunities you want? Epictetus explores how to handle watching others succeed while you maintain your principles.
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Let not such considerations as these distress you: “I shall live in discredit and be nobody anywhere.” For if discredit be an evil, you can no more be involved in evil through another than in baseness. Is it any business of yours, then, to get power or to be admitted to an entertainment? By no means. How then, after all, is this discredit? And how it is true that you will be nobody anywhere when you ought to be somebody in those things only which are within your own power, in which you may be of the greatest consequence? “But my friends will be unassisted.” What do you mean by “unassisted”? They will not have money from you, nor will you make them Roman citizens. Who told you, then, that these are among the things within our own power, and not rather the affairs of others? And who can give to another the things which he himself has not? “Well, but get them, then, that we too may have a share.” If I can get them with the preservation of my own honor and fidelity and self-respect, show me the way and I will get them; but if you require me to lose my own proper good, that you may gain what is no good, consider how unreasonable and foolish you are. Besides, which would you rather have, a sum of money or a faithful and honorable friend? Rather assist me, then, to gain this character than require me to do those things by which I may lose it. Well, but my country, say you, as far as depends upon me, will be unassisted. Here, again, what assistance is this you mean? It will not have porticos nor baths of your providing? And what signifies that? Why, neither does a smith provide it with shoes, nor a shoemaker with arms. It is enough if everyone fully performs his own proper business. And were you to supply it with another faithful and honorable citizen, would not he be of use to it? Yes. Therefore neither are you yourself useless to it. “What place, then,” say you, “shall I hold in the state?” Whatever you can hold with the preservation of your fidelity and honor. But if, by desiring to be useful to that, you lose these, how can you serve your country when you have become faithless and shameless?
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Intelligence Amplifier™ Analysis
The Road of Authentic Influence
The destructive cycle where we sacrifice our integrity and authentic contribution to gain external validation and social influence.
Why This Matters
Connect literature to life
This chapter teaches how to recognize when you're sacrificing integrity for external validation and social positioning.
Practice This Today
This week, notice when you modify your opinions or behavior to impress others, then ask yourself what you're really trying to gain and what you might be losing.
Now let's explore the literary elements.
Terms to Know
Discredit
In Epictetus's time, this meant losing social standing or reputation in Roman society. Your discredit could affect your family's prospects, business opportunities, and political connections.
Modern Usage:
Today we see this as being 'canceled,' losing professional credibility, or having your reputation damaged on social media.
Roman citizenship
A legal status that granted voting rights, legal protections, and social privileges in the Roman Empire. It was highly valued and could be granted as a favor by influential people.
Modern Usage:
Similar to how we think about getting someone a green card, a good job reference, or access to exclusive networks.
Honor and fidelity
Core Roman virtues meaning personal integrity and loyalty to your principles. For Stoics like Epictetus, these were the only true goods because they couldn't be taken away by others.
Modern Usage:
We talk about 'staying true to yourself' or 'not selling out' - keeping your values even when it costs you opportunities.
Self-respect
The Stoic concept of maintaining your dignity and worth based on your character, not external validation. It meant knowing your own value regardless of what others thought.
Modern Usage:
Today's version is having healthy boundaries, not compromising your values for approval, and knowing your worth isn't determined by likes or status.
Proper good
In Stoic philosophy, the only true goods are virtue, wisdom, and character - things that are entirely within your control and can't be taken away.
Modern Usage:
We might call this 'what really matters' - your integrity, relationships, and peace of mind versus money, status, or external success.
Affairs of others
Stoic term for anything outside your direct control - other people's decisions, opinions, rewards they give or withhold. Epictetus taught that focusing on these causes suffering.
Modern Usage:
This is what we mean by 'staying in your lane' or 'controlling what you can control' - not getting stressed about things outside your influence.
Characters in This Chapter
The worried person
Internal voice of anxiety
Represents the part of us that fears being powerless and forgotten. This voice worries about not being able to help friends or having any influence in the world.
Modern Equivalent:
The part of you that scrolls LinkedIn feeling inadequate about your career impact
The demanding friends
External pressure
These are people who expect you to compromise your values to help them get money, connections, or status. They represent the social pressure to 'play the game.'
Modern Equivalent:
Friends who expect you to lie on their resume or use your connections inappropriately
Epictetus
Wise mentor
Provides the rational response to anxiety about influence and reputation. He reframes the question from 'How can I get power?' to 'How can I maintain my integrity?'
Modern Equivalent:
The therapist or wise friend who helps you see what you're really worried about
Key Quotes & Analysis
"If discredit be an evil, you can no more be involved in evil through another than in baseness."
Context: Responding to fears about losing reputation or social standing
This reveals that your character can't be damaged by what others think or do. Only your own actions can make you truly 'bad' - reputation is just opinion.
In Today's Words:
Other people's opinions about you can't actually make you a bad person - only your own choices can do that.
"Who can give to another the things which he himself has not?"
Context: Explaining why you can't be expected to give friends things outside your control
This cuts through guilt about not being able to help others in ways that require compromising yourself. You can only give what you actually possess.
In Today's Words:
You can't give people things you don't have - and integrity isn't something you can hand out like money.
"Which would you rather have, a sum of money or a faithful and honorable friend?"
Context: Challenging friends who want you to compromise your values for their benefit
This reframes the entire relationship dynamic. Real friends want you to maintain your integrity because that's what makes you valuable to them.
In Today's Words:
Would you rather have cash or someone you can actually trust? Because you can't have both if I have to lie to get you the money.
Thematic Threads
Identity
In This Chapter
Epictetus distinguishes between who you are (character, values, integrity) versus how others perceive you (reputation, social standing, influence)
Development
Building on earlier themes about controlling what's truly yours—your identity is the ultimate thing that belongs to you
In Your Life:
You might struggle with this when deciding whether to speak up about workplace problems or stay quiet to avoid being labeled a troublemaker
Social Expectations
In This Chapter
The pressure to be somebody important, to have influence, to be invited to the right places and know the right people
Development
Extends the theme of external pressures, now specifically about social status and recognition
In Your Life:
You might feel this when comparing your life to others on social media or feeling embarrassed about your job title at social gatherings
Personal Growth
In This Chapter
True growth comes from developing your character and contributing your authentic gifts, not from accumulating external markers of success
Development
Reinforces that growth is internal work, not external achievement
In Your Life:
You might recognize this when you realize you're more proud of helping a colleague than getting praise from your boss
Class
In This Chapter
The assumption that having power and influence makes you more valuable to society than doing honest work with integrity
Development
Challenges class-based thinking about whose contributions matter most
In Your Life:
You might feel this when someone dismisses your perspective because of your job or education level, making you question your own worth
You now have the context. Time to form your own thoughts.
Discussion Questions
- 1
What specific fear is Epictetus addressing in this chapter, and what solution does he offer?
analysis • surface - 2
Why does Epictetus argue that chasing recognition and influence actually makes you less helpful to others?
analysis • medium - 3
Where do you see people sacrificing their values to gain respect or influence in your workplace, family, or community?
application • medium - 4
Think of someone you truly respect. How much of that respect comes from their position versus their character?
reflection • deep - 5
What would change in your daily decisions if you focused purely on doing your actual job well rather than managing how others perceive you?
application • deep
Critical Thinking Exercise
Map Your Recognition Traps
Write down three situations where you've felt pressure to compromise your values to gain approval, respect, or influence. For each situation, identify what you were really trying to achieve and what you actually sacrificed. Then brainstorm one way you could have pursued your goal while staying true to your principles.
Consider:
- •Notice the difference between wanting to help and wanting to be seen as helpful
- •Consider whether the recognition you sought actually led to the influence you wanted
- •Think about times when someone's authentic character impressed you more than their position or connections
Journaling Prompt
Write about a person you know who has real influence through character rather than position. What specific behaviors make them effective? How could you apply their approach to your own life?
Coming Up Next...
Chapter 25: The True Price of Social Status
In the next chapter, you'll discover every social advantage has a hidden cost you must choose to pay, and learn feeling excluded often means you're protecting your values. These insights reveal timeless patterns that resonate in our own lives and relationships.