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et not such considerations as these distress you: “I shall live in
discredit and be nobody anywhere.” For if discredit be an evil, you can
no more be involved in evil through another than in baseness. Is it any
business of yours, then, to get power or to be admitted to an
entertainment? By no means. How then, after all, is this discredit? And
how it is true that you will be nobody anywhere when you ought to be
somebody in those things only which are within your own power, in which
you may be of the greatest consequence? “But my friends will be
unassisted.” What do you mean by “unassisted”? They will not have money
from you, nor will you make them Roman citizens. Who told you, then, that
these are among the things within our own power, and not rather the
affairs of others? And who can give to another the things which he
himself has not? “Well, but get them, then, that we too may have a
share.” If I can get them with the preservation of my own honor and
fidelity and self-respect, show me the way and I will get them; but if
you require me to lose my own proper good, that you may gain what is no
good, consider how unreasonable and foolish you are. Besides, which would
you rather have, a sum of money or a faithful and honorable friend?
Rather assist me, then, to gain this character than require me to do
those things by which I may lose it. Well, but my country, say you, as
far as depends upon me, will be unassisted. Here, again, what assistance
is this you mean? It will not have porticos nor baths of your providing?
And what signifies that? Why, neither does a smith provide it with shoes,
nor a shoemaker with arms. It is enough if everyone fully performs his
own proper business. And were you to supply it with another faithful and
honorable citizen, would not he be of use to it? Yes. Therefore neither
are you yourself useless to it. “What place, then,” say you, “shall I
hold in the state?” Whatever you can hold with the preservation of your
fidelity and honor. But if, by desiring to be useful to that, you lose
these, how can you serve your country when you have become faithless and
shameless?
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Let's Analyse the Pattern
The destructive cycle where we sacrifice our integrity and authentic contribution to gain external validation and social influence.
Why This Matters
Connect literature to life
This chapter teaches how to recognize when you're sacrificing integrity for external validation and social positioning.
Practice This Today
This week, notice when you modify your opinions or behavior to impress others, then ask yourself what you're really trying to gain and what you might be losing.
Now let's explore the literary elements.
Key Quotes & Analysis
"If discredit be an evil, you can no more be involved in evil through another than in baseness."
Context: Responding to fears about losing reputation or social standing
This reveals that your character can't be damaged by what others think or do. Only your own actions can make you truly 'bad' - reputation is just opinion.
In Today's Words:
Other people's opinions about you can't actually make you a bad person - only your own choices can do that.
"Who can give to another the things which he himself has not?"
Context: Explaining why you can't be expected to give friends things outside your control
This cuts through guilt about not being able to help others in ways that require compromising yourself. You can only give what you actually possess.
In Today's Words:
You can't give people things you don't have - and integrity isn't something you can hand out like money.
"Which would you rather have, a sum of money or a faithful and honorable friend?"
Context: Challenging friends who want you to compromise your values for their benefit
This reframes the entire relationship dynamic. Real friends want you to maintain your integrity because that's what makes you valuable to them.
In Today's Words:
Would you rather have cash or someone you can actually trust? Because you can't have both if I have to lie to get you the money.
Thematic Threads
Identity
In This Chapter
Epictetus distinguishes between who you are (character, values, integrity) versus how others perceive you (reputation, social standing, influence)
Development
Building on earlier themes about controlling what's truly yours—your identity is the ultimate thing that belongs to you
In Your Life:
You might struggle with this when deciding whether to speak up about workplace problems or stay quiet to avoid being labeled a troublemaker
Social Expectations
In This Chapter
The pressure to be somebody important, to have influence, to be invited to the right places and know the right people
Development
Extends the theme of external pressures, now specifically about social status and recognition
In Your Life:
You might feel this when comparing your life to others on social media or feeling embarrassed about your job title at social gatherings
Personal Growth
In This Chapter
True growth comes from developing your character and contributing your authentic gifts, not from accumulating external markers of success
Development
Reinforces that growth is internal work, not external achievement
In Your Life:
You might recognize this when you realize you're more proud of helping a colleague than getting praise from your boss
Class
In This Chapter
The assumption that having power and influence makes you more valuable to society than doing honest work with integrity
Development
Challenges class-based thinking about whose contributions matter most
In Your Life:
You might feel this when someone dismisses your perspective because of your job or education level, making you question your own worth
You now have the context. Time to form your own thoughts.
Discussion Questions
- 1
What specific fear is Epictetus addressing in this chapter, and what solution does he offer?
analysis • surface - 2
Why does Epictetus argue that chasing recognition and influence actually makes you less helpful to others?
analysis • medium - 3
Where do you see people sacrificing their values to gain respect or influence in your workplace, family, or community?
application • medium - 4
Think of someone you truly respect. How much of that respect comes from their position versus their character?
reflection • deep - 5
What would change in your daily decisions if you focused purely on doing your actual job well rather than managing how others perceive you?
application • deep
Critical Thinking Exercise
Map Your Recognition Traps
Write down three situations where you've felt pressure to compromise your values to gain approval, respect, or influence. For each situation, identify what you were really trying to achieve and what you actually sacrificed. Then brainstorm one way you could have pursued your goal while staying true to your principles.
Consider:
- •Notice the difference between wanting to help and wanting to be seen as helpful
- •Consider whether the recognition you sought actually led to the influence you wanted
- •Think about times when someone's authentic character impressed you more than their position or connections
Journaling Prompt
Write about a person you know who has real influence through character rather than position. What specific behaviors make them effective? How could you apply their approach to your own life?
Coming Up Next...
Chapter 25: The True Price of Social Status
But what about when others get the recognition, invitations, and opportunities you want? Epictetus explores how to handle watching others succeed while you maintain your principles.
